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Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
- #5
Anyone who really understands how a CPU works has been saying this forever.
ISA does not affair. Architecture does.
tl;dr version of the highlight:
ARM is a simpler ISA compared to X86, and then while he isn't entirely wrong, he isn't entirely correct either. Information technology makes a lot of sense that ARM is associated with depression power/high efficiency because these are the usual strengths of most ARM architectures. Yes, the ISA can do more, just then again, non as much as X86.
I desire to add together, that I would totally welcome ARM to claiming the X86 condition quo and also Linux to claiming Windows so we have a more open and variable marketplace, just probably wishful thinking.
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Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
- #7
The difference is, X86 minimum architecture level today involves AVX2 and more, with ARM the minimum level is much much simpler. Of form y'all tin can build a circuitous and powerful arch based on ARM ISA as proven by Fujitsu and later Apple but in general X86 is the more complex ISA. It has a reason ARM is more than efficient, X86 is a flake too big, perhaps a scrap outdated, although I would say Ryzen is very modern, while Intel e'er reminds me why Apple tree has chosen to ditch X86.
Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
- #nine
You are talking extensions, technically, of which there exist several for both architectures. It is not a core ISA business organization.
X86 has AVX/AVX2 (and not on all CPUs), ARM has Scalar Vector Extensions, non on all cpus either of course. Really the aforementioned tech with dissimilar names. Only difference is virtually very modernistic x86 CPU is a high performance pattern vs what ARM manufacturers target, but that's not neccesarily how information technology has to be. It's a choice.
Like I said I'm not maxim the article is wrong. I'thousand saying information technology is partially right. X86 minimum spec is way higher than ARM, not fifty-fifty comparable. This leads to the determination that many people have, that ARM is a low ability ISA/curvation, not for high performance. This is 98% right to exist off-white, and this is the simply thing I wanted to clarify basically.
If you have ARM ISA and stretch it to the point of rivaling x86, something which has not happened at this indicate, yep, information technology's theoretically the same. Has a reason why x86 reigns supreme though.
Apple can endeavour and replace their WS CPU (Mac Pro) with ARM as well, information technology will be a big challenge for them to make ARM competitive with EPYC, Xeon is a joke at this point, I expect them to make it that far, if they try information technology at all. At this point, Apple tree has grown so powerful, I honestly await them to be able to practice it, if they want to.
Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
- #13
Perhaps should've specified that I'g not talking well-nigh ancient architectures, annihilation you can still buy today.
I don't retrieve any ARM arch can rival EPYC Milan upcoming in new supercomputers. I don't completely disagree though. There was a short fourth dimension, where everything was stalled downwards due to Intel being a shitty company and AMD not at that place yet with Zen, where Fujitsu basically had something ameliorate, and they're still on Rank 1 with their ARM based Supercomputer until later this twelvemonth when the new SC with Zen 3 are finished. I think, Intel on the long run, is the (would exist) killer of x86 and AMD is the savior and already did it. This is what happens if y'all let a manager (not EE) that is just interested in lesser line manage a tech company vs the contrary happening at AMD. Intel is getting ameliorate but I don't like their large little arroyo.
Theories are fine, I'thousand a more practical person. Intel certainly didn't have much going in eg. high efficiency recently, it'south just happening at present with their newest arch. But I call up the Zen approach of the golden middle manner with cores that are efficient and stiff is the fashion to go.
You lot're quoting me talking almost "today" and and so countering with the words "last two years". I'm non interested in old stuff. Actual new Atom cores constitute in 12th gen are very well able to exercise AVX2.
Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
- #fifteen
Sure you tin purchase outdated stuff, buy 3950X for 800€ despite 5950X costing less, etc. Doesn't make information technology a relevant product nor do I care. I accept said pretty clearly that I talk about the newest architectures. Newest Atom does AVX2.
Pretty much completely incorrect. There are even old games that don't run without AVX, many programs don't and Windows 8 doesn't similar CPUs that don't have AVX, permit alone Win x or 11. In that location are likewise a lot of apps and a few games that utilize AVX2.
Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
- #18
That's the matter. Pat Gelsinger seems to be much ameliorate than his predecessor and I don't fifty-fifty consider him ideal, non nearly.
Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
- #20
Those have zip to do with this argument. Don't deviate the argument because you lost your original bespeak. All modern x86 CPUs back up AVX2. And and then again, I don't agree. AVX is a very important educational activity set, that is a main point why information technology is supported in modern CPUs, it's not optional to drop it, whether big.fiddling or not.
I had meant to say SSE 4.1/4.2, mayhap SSSE 3, the 8th gen Pentium has those.
Kanan
Tech Enthusiast & Gamer
- #22
Part of me wanted Nvidia to win the ARM deal, and so that the PC market gets diversified. At present it is unlikely to happen and the x86 monopoly will hold.
Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/arm-vs-x86.291670/
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